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	<description>the unruly darlings of public sociology</description>
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		<title>By: Things I wish I hadn&#8217;t done in grad school or&#8230; an open letter of apology (filled with sheepishness) to my advisor, dissertation committee members, director of graduate studies, and assorted others &#171; New Soc Prof&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Things I wish I hadn&#8217;t done in grad school or&#8230; an open letter of apology (filled with sheepishness) to my advisor, dissertation committee members, director of graduate studies, and assorted others &#171; New Soc Prof&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The first-author thing. Scatterplot and orgtheory have written great posts about how to negotiate co-authoring in grad school and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The first-author thing. Scatterplot and orgtheory have written great posts about how to negotiate co-authoring in grad school and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: olderwoman</title>
		<link>http://scatter.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/co-authoring-ask-a-scatterbrain/#comment-3160</link>
		<dc:creator>olderwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fields differ.  In sociology, if it is NOT alphabetical, the first author is assumed to be a lead author.  If it is alphabetical, it is not clear what to assume.  Footnotes that say the authors are equal co-authors are pretty common and are usually believed.  A team doing a series of articles often rotates order of authorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fields differ.  In sociology, if it is NOT alphabetical, the first author is assumed to be a lead author.  If it is alphabetical, it is not clear what to assume.  Footnotes that say the authors are equal co-authors are pretty common and are usually believed.  A team doing a series of articles often rotates order of authorship.</p>
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		<title>By: gradytripp</title>
		<link>http://scatter.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/co-authoring-ask-a-scatterbrain/#comment-3159</link>
		<dc:creator>gradytripp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm actually working on something with someone in my grad cohort. We want to make it clear that we've equally shared in the work. So, how do we go about denoting this in the authorship order? Alphabetical? How do people who read papers on, say, a hiring committee, view that? Do they just assume the first author did the most work? Even if it's alphabetical?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually working on something with someone in my grad cohort. We want to make it clear that we&#8217;ve equally shared in the work. So, how do we go about denoting this in the authorship order? Alphabetical? How do people who read papers on, say, a hiring committee, view that? Do they just assume the first author did the most work? Even if it&#8217;s alphabetical?</p>
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		<title>By: adilettante</title>
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		<dc:creator>adilettante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my experience, sharing authorship equally can lead to writing delays because there is no first author to take control of the process when the need arises.  This is something to consider when embarking on a project, especially with a fellow graduate student.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my experience, sharing authorship equally can lead to writing delays because there is no first author to take control of the process when the need arises.  This is something to consider when embarking on a project, especially with a fellow graduate student.</p>
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		<title>By: mike3550</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike3550</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a little late to this one -- but I am currently trying to do my part to finish a co-authored paper that needs to be completed by next week...

I have experience collaborating with both senior colleagues and another grad student.  Since almost all of the things said about co-authoring with a senior/junior combination have been said very eloquently, I won't add anything except to say that through co-authoring with senior colleagues, it has been a great way to &lt;a href="http://scatter.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/how-do-you-build-a-network-ask-a-scatterbrain/" rel="nofollow"&gt;enhance a sociology network&lt;/a&gt;.

OW highlights some of the problems that can come about with a junior/senior co-authoring relationship that can be problematic.  I wanted to highlight a couple of areas where working with other grad students can lead to issues as well.  The largest one comes about with issues of professional advancement.  Because grad students (especially advanced grad students who are looking at the market in the relatively near future) both have a great deal at stake for authoring papers.  This means that there is no clear division of who would benefit more or less from the project.  "The most important thing is to talk overtly in advance about [this]" (h/t OW, I thought it required emphasizing again). 

This conversation can be much more tricky with grad student colleagues (and, I imagine junior faculty - though at this point I can only dream of being one and therefore have no direct experience).  There isn't the opportunity for a teaching moment and, more likely than not, you are working with a friend when engaging in the project.  It can be painful to talk about, but it is much better to do it--and do it early--than it is to just assume.  

One of the ways that I have worked with my colleague is that we have conceived of this as a larger project in which we are hoping to produce several papers.  We actually wrote a grant for this project together which helped us talk out some of the issues OW discussed in the process of writing the grant and in the grant application we actually proposed several analyses, each roughly corresponding to a paper.  This is not always a possibility (things like dissertations get in the way -- but there is nothing to stop collaboration once both of you defend), but it has been a great way for us to conceive of our writing and (I think) end up with a more equitable solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late to this one &#8212; but I am currently trying to do my part to finish a co-authored paper that needs to be completed by next week&#8230;</p>
<p>I have experience collaborating with both senior colleagues and another grad student.  Since almost all of the things said about co-authoring with a senior/junior combination have been said very eloquently, I won&#8217;t add anything except to say that through co-authoring with senior colleagues, it has been a great way to <a href="http://scatter.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/how-do-you-build-a-network-ask-a-scatterbrain/" rel="nofollow">enhance a sociology network</a>.</p>
<p>OW highlights some of the problems that can come about with a junior/senior co-authoring relationship that can be problematic.  I wanted to highlight a couple of areas where working with other grad students can lead to issues as well.  The largest one comes about with issues of professional advancement.  Because grad students (especially advanced grad students who are looking at the market in the relatively near future) both have a great deal at stake for authoring papers.  This means that there is no clear division of who would benefit more or less from the project.  &#8220;The most important thing is to talk overtly in advance about [this]&#8221; (h/t OW, I thought it required emphasizing again). </p>
<p>This conversation can be much more tricky with grad student colleagues (and, I imagine junior faculty - though at this point I can only dream of being one and therefore have no direct experience).  There isn&#8217;t the opportunity for a teaching moment and, more likely than not, you are working with a friend when engaging in the project.  It can be painful to talk about, but it is much better to do it&#8211;and do it early&#8211;than it is to just assume.  </p>
<p>One of the ways that I have worked with my colleague is that we have conceived of this as a larger project in which we are hoping to produce several papers.  We actually wrote a grant for this project together which helped us talk out some of the issues OW discussed in the process of writing the grant and in the grant application we actually proposed several analyses, each roughly corresponding to a paper.  This is not always a possibility (things like dissertations get in the way &#8212; but there is nothing to stop collaboration once both of you defend), but it has been a great way for us to conceive of our writing and (I think) end up with a more equitable solution.</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though Brayden's post today at orgtheory is about how to write a paper, not how to coauthor one, both his and Ezra's comments are so helpful that I wanted to note the link here:
http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/how-to-write-articles/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though Brayden&#8217;s post today at orgtheory is about how to write a paper, not how to coauthor one, both his and Ezra&#8217;s comments are so helpful that I wanted to note the link here:<br />
<a href="http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/how-to-write-articles/" rel="nofollow">http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/how-to-write-articles/</a></p>
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		<title>By: olderwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>olderwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brayden: thanks for the link; some good stuff there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brayden: thanks for the link; some good stuff there.</p>
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		<title>By: brayden</title>
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		<dc:creator>brayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote down &lt;a href="http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/coauthoring/" rel="nofollow"&gt;some advice&lt;/a&gt; about coauthoring earlier this year that might be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote down <a href="http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/coauthoring/" rel="nofollow">some advice</a> about coauthoring earlier this year that might be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: shakha</title>
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		<dc:creator>shakha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My advice: (1) read OW's advice. (2) For grad students: particularly, read her first sentence again. Have an overt conversation about this. It may seem uncomfortable. If that's the case, one way to approach it is to say, "I'm unclear on the norms of this..." In other words, you can ask for it to be a mentoring/teaching moment. But be explicit. You don't have to draw up a contact, but you do want to know what is expected to (1) be a coauthor, and (2) what is required for different levels (second vs. first author vs. coauthor). I would also suggest revisiting the conversation to make sure you're both (or all) agreed that you're doing what you agreed to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice: (1) read OW&#8217;s advice. (2) For grad students: particularly, read her first sentence again. Have an overt conversation about this. It may seem uncomfortable. If that&#8217;s the case, one way to approach it is to say, &#8220;I&#8217;m unclear on the norms of this&#8230;&#8221; In other words, you can ask for it to be a mentoring/teaching moment. But be explicit. You don&#8217;t have to draw up a contact, but you do want to know what is expected to (1) be a coauthor, and (2) what is required for different levels (second vs. first author vs. coauthor). I would also suggest revisiting the conversation to make sure you&#8217;re both (or all) agreed that you&#8217;re doing what you agreed to.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wise words from OW as always.  An important thing from my observing of others' collaborations, especially among graduate students, is to keep in mind that none of the stuff involving credit matters if the paper doesn't get done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wise words from OW as always.  An important thing from my observing of others&#8217; collaborations, especially among graduate students, is to keep in mind that none of the stuff involving credit matters if the paper doesn&#8217;t get done.</p>
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