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	<title>Comments on: why i&#8217;m pro &#8220;animals and society&#8221; and think &#8220;the sociology of food&#8221; should be more central to the discipline</title>
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	<description>the unruly darlings of public sociology</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: olderwoman</title>
		<link>http://scatter.wordpress.com/2008/01/28/why-im-pro-animals-and-society-and-think-the-sociology-of-food-should-be-more-central-to-the-discipline/#comment-1727</link>
		<dc:creator>olderwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sociosam: I liked Diamond's books a lot and got into reading all of them and think that Collapse is also a stunning book. The video is pretty good, worth watching, but people should be warned that the way things get framed in the video ends up playing more to western sensibilities and stereotypes than the books do, as well as oversimplifying the argument.  I squirmed some times watching the videos as they deployed images and assumptions that Diamond went to some pains to address and counter in the books.  There's more risk of reinforcing "primitive savage" kinds of ideas from the videos.  It's been a while and I can't pull up lots of examples, although I stumbled across a huge debate about the book in anthropology blogs.  One specific critique: the sketch of the conquest of the Inca (in both book and video) omits a lot of the broader context about political conflicts within the Inca empire and the extent to which there was continuing resistance to the Spanish after the first big victory.  I'm relying a lot on Charles Mann's 1491, which summarizes recent scholarship in this. The short version is that germs were much more important than guns or steel or literacy (which Diamond stresses). Not a reason not to use the videos, because they are good, but they are not perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sociosam: I liked Diamond&#8217;s books a lot and got into reading all of them and think that Collapse is also a stunning book. The video is pretty good, worth watching, but people should be warned that the way things get framed in the video ends up playing more to western sensibilities and stereotypes than the books do, as well as oversimplifying the argument.  I squirmed some times watching the videos as they deployed images and assumptions that Diamond went to some pains to address and counter in the books.  There&#8217;s more risk of reinforcing &#8220;primitive savage&#8221; kinds of ideas from the videos.  It&#8217;s been a while and I can&#8217;t pull up lots of examples, although I stumbled across a huge debate about the book in anthropology blogs.  One specific critique: the sketch of the conquest of the Inca (in both book and video) omits a lot of the broader context about political conflicts within the Inca empire and the extent to which there was continuing resistance to the Spanish after the first big victory.  I&#8217;m relying a lot on Charles Mann&#8217;s 1491, which summarizes recent scholarship in this. The short version is that germs were much more important than guns or steel or literacy (which Diamond stresses). Not a reason not to use the videos, because they are good, but they are not perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: sociosam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sociosam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that food should be a primary focus for sociologists. Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs, &#38; Steel" should be required reading. It is really about food. And you might consider showing disk #1 of Guns, Germs, &#38; Steel to Introductory students. The Video is done by National Geographic Society and is very good. Disk #2 could be used in any course that includes war, weapons, or technology as a theme. And disk #3 is perfect for any course dealing with diseases and health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that food should be a primary focus for sociologists. Jared Diamond&#8217;s &#8220;Guns, Germs, &amp; Steel&#8221; should be required reading. It is really about food. And you might consider showing disk #1 of Guns, Germs, &amp; Steel to Introductory students. The Video is done by National Geographic Society and is very good. Disk #2 could be used in any course that includes war, weapons, or technology as a theme. And disk #3 is perfect for any course dealing with diseases and health.</p>
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		<title>By: foodgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>foodgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beg to differ. That was one game. Should we Scrabulous, before Hasbro takes it away, for a rematch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ. That was one game. Should we Scrabulous, before Hasbro takes it away, for a rematch?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@foodgirl: she's no good at Scrabble, though</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@foodgirl: she&#8217;s no good at Scrabble, though</p>
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		<title>By: foodgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>foodgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi all, 
Yes, I'm a lurker - thanks for the promotion above!  Rather than go by foiegrasgirl for the blogging world, I'm choosing for to masquerade as foodgirl, as I think my work speaks to all sorts of food issues, politics, and contentiousness in the world.  

I too think the "sociology of food" should be more central to the discipline, and I for one aim to get it there. Hopefully. The intersection of literatures mentioned in the original post is EXACTLY what I think my work is about.  My dissertation is about the foie gras controversies in the US and France and looks at the nexus of movements, markets, and the state in defining morality and virtue.  My other project was about 'virtuous food' movements - the connections and disjunctures between local food, organic food, and the Slow Food movement. (Grad student question - are we allowed to plug our stuff here? If so, read on...) That turned into a book chapter that is coming out next year in an edited volume: The Globalization of Food, edited by David Inglis (the editor of the new Cultural Sociology journal), and I've collaborated with two great folks at Kellogg (the business school) for an article on the grass-fed beef movement as the creation of a market out of a movement (forthcoming in ASQ).  

Food studies is growing as a discipline - there is a fabulous listserv - ASFS, run out of NYU, which has the only Food Studies PhD program in the country. Indiana University has a degree program associated with their anthropology department, and there are food studies people lurking around the country - they are smart and involved people who bridge disciplinary boundaries.  It is much bigger a discipline, in its own right, in Europe and Australia (and they have better funding opportunities to study food, as well), but it is exploding in this country as well. No ASA section yet, though (I think that Consumers, Consumption, and Commodities should get one first).

I'm happy to answer more questions about what is happening in the food studies world, people, conferences, listservs and websites, journals (we have several journals), books (there's a huge amount of information already available, and more coming every year).

Michaela</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi all,<br />
Yes, I&#8217;m a lurker - thanks for the promotion above!  Rather than go by foiegrasgirl for the blogging world, I&#8217;m choosing for to masquerade as foodgirl, as I think my work speaks to all sorts of food issues, politics, and contentiousness in the world.  </p>
<p>I too think the &#8220;sociology of food&#8221; should be more central to the discipline, and I for one aim to get it there. Hopefully. The intersection of literatures mentioned in the original post is EXACTLY what I think my work is about.  My dissertation is about the foie gras controversies in the US and France and looks at the nexus of movements, markets, and the state in defining morality and virtue.  My other project was about &#8216;virtuous food&#8217; movements - the connections and disjunctures between local food, organic food, and the Slow Food movement. (Grad student question - are we allowed to plug our stuff here? If so, read on&#8230;) That turned into a book chapter that is coming out next year in an edited volume: The Globalization of Food, edited by David Inglis (the editor of the new Cultural Sociology journal), and I&#8217;ve collaborated with two great folks at Kellogg (the business school) for an article on the grass-fed beef movement as the creation of a market out of a movement (forthcoming in ASQ).  </p>
<p>Food studies is growing as a discipline - there is a fabulous listserv - ASFS, run out of NYU, which has the only Food Studies PhD program in the country. Indiana University has a degree program associated with their anthropology department, and there are food studies people lurking around the country - they are smart and involved people who bridge disciplinary boundaries.  It is much bigger a discipline, in its own right, in Europe and Australia (and they have better funding opportunities to study food, as well), but it is exploding in this country as well. No ASA section yet, though (I think that Consumers, Consumption, and Commodities should get one first).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to answer more questions about what is happening in the food studies world, people, conferences, listservs and websites, journals (we have several journals), books (there&#8217;s a huge amount of information already available, and more coming every year).</p>
<p>Michaela</p>
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		<title>By: akphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>akphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The thing about Rural Sociology that always struck me as odd was that a lot of the area isn’t really about rural life. Or at least rural life as I imagine it."

I think this is among the reasons why a lot of rural soc departments are changing their names. Many rural sociologists (though by no means all) study food and agriculture - but we know very well that these are not uniquely "rural" problems (also, the very definition of "rurality" is hotly debated - see Michael Bell's work on this). 

Personally, I would love it if ASA had a food and agriculture section and more people in "regular" soc did work on these topics. I agree that food and ag can (and should) be studied within existing areas of the discipline - but I like the idea of connecting insights from cultural, political, economic, organizational (etc.) sociology around a particular topic. I'd say that's the model for many of the other ASA sections, like the science, knowledge and technology section, or the environment section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The thing about Rural Sociology that always struck me as odd was that a lot of the area isn’t really about rural life. Or at least rural life as I imagine it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is among the reasons why a lot of rural soc departments are changing their names. Many rural sociologists (though by no means all) study food and agriculture - but we know very well that these are not uniquely &#8220;rural&#8221; problems (also, the very definition of &#8220;rurality&#8221; is hotly debated - see Michael Bell&#8217;s work on this). </p>
<p>Personally, I would love it if ASA had a food and agriculture section and more people in &#8220;regular&#8221; soc did work on these topics. I agree that food and ag can (and should) be studied within existing areas of the discipline - but I like the idea of connecting insights from cultural, political, economic, organizational (etc.) sociology around a particular topic. I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s the model for many of the other ASA sections, like the science, knowledge and technology section, or the environment section.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Isil is doing her work in urban soc, and the bifurcated labor market between line cooks and higher status chefs. She's worked with Peter and Sudhir, afaik, though I'm on leave at the moment (otherwise I'd promote her more directly and assuredly).

She was also, for me, a rockstar TA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Isil is doing her work in urban soc, and the bifurcated labor market between line cooks and higher status chefs. She&#8217;s worked with Peter and Sudhir, afaik, though I&#8217;m on leave at the moment (otherwise I&#8217;d promote her more directly and assuredly).</p>
<p>She was also, for me, a rockstar TA.</p>
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		<title>By: jlena</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shaka &#38; sara: Isil Celimli.


also, a fine student with an 07 ph.d. from rutgers:

Vanina Leschziner, Cultural Creation: The Creation of Culture and the Culture of Creation. A Sociological Analysis in the Culinary Sphere. (Karen Cerulo, John L. Martin, Paul McLean, Ann Mische)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shaka &amp; sara: Isil Celimli.</p>
<p>also, a fine student with an 07 ph.d. from rutgers:</p>
<p>Vanina Leschziner, Cultural Creation: The Creation of Culture and the Culture of Creation. A Sociological Analysis in the Culinary Sphere. (Karen Cerulo, John L. Martin, Paul McLean, Ann Mische)</p>
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		<title>By: what does this have to do with org theory? &#171; orgtheory.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>what does this have to do with org theory? &#171; orgtheory.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] don&#8217;t expect us to respond anytime soon by adding a &#8220;goats&#8221; or &#8220;animals and society&#8221; category.  That said, I am afraid that Fabio may have an alpaca sequel in the works, to follow [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] don&#8217;t expect us to respond anytime soon by adding a &#8220;goats&#8221; or &#8220;animals and society&#8221; category.  That said, I am afraid that Fabio may have an alpaca sequel in the works, to follow [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course!  I think she works with Peter Bearman.  Though, I could just think this because I so often meet interesting people in Peter's office!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course!  I think she works with Peter Bearman.  Though, I could just think this because I so often meet interesting people in Peter&#8217;s office!</p>
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